GTX 780 Ti Review : AMD Bow Down?

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The GTX 780 Ti Is here and its definitely wears "The King" crown of Gaming Benchmarks. Price as expected $699 with a 3 game bundle "Assassin?s Creed IV: Black Flag, Batman: Arkham Origins, and Splinter Cell Blacklist". But is worth the extra $300 over the 290 and $150 over the 290x?

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Review - Full GK110 Crashes into Hawaii | PC Perspective
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Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 Ti Review: GK110, Fully Unlocked - GK110, Unleashed: The Wonders Of Tight Binning
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^^Notice the retail 290x on the charts/// AMD not looking good there\\\

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3 GB Review | techPowerUp
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GTX 780 TI Overclocked performance in BF3 at 1080P WOW​
 
Damn man, that's pretty damn good. I was surprised at how much better it is than a Titan. Arrghhhhhhhhhhhh, the 290 doesn't look that good anymore, even at $400...
 
I am with you heat...that article about optimum opps performance being 95c...Nothing AMD has or will put out before I get home will change my mind.

Quality, not quantity! Give me an Nvidia
 
sixer9682 said:
It's a moot point with water cooling though, so it's irrelevant for me.
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Its only a moot point if you can disable power tune altogether. Id like to see what 1Ghz on Water looks like because the device can't do it on air period. Water cooling provides more consistent performance but your still cooling the device with ambient air via the radiator. I don't think the 290X is going to hit 1Ghz on air in Texas and actually stay there. It might throttle the shit out of itself between 850Mhz and 1Ghz and that would be a hell of a lot better than out of the box but... time will tell especially if you get one and report back for us!
 
... but you maintain a low temperature in your room with the AC yo.

So the block removes the heat from the core, the radiator from your case, and the AC from your house :-P . But I agree, if the cooler can't keep the card at the advertised clocks or close to them at 70-75Fish room temperature, at 100% load, I think they shouldn't have advertised it that way :-P .
 
4K is a LOT more resolution, 4x the pixels of 1920x1080, so you need that many more (or higher clocked) shaders to maintain decent FPS in heavier games. IMO there won't be cards good enough to handle them for a couple more years. Movies should be fun to watch though :-P ... or older games.
 
RainMotorsports said:
Its only a moot point if you can disable power tune altogether. Id like to see what 1Ghz on Water looks like because the device can't do it on air period. Water cooling provides more consistent performance but your still cooling the device with ambient air via the radiator. I don't think the 290X is going to hit 1Ghz on air in Texas and actually stay there. It might throttle the shit out of itself between 850Mhz and 1Ghz and that would be a hell of a lot better than out of the box but... time will tell especially if you get one and report back for us!
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Um, not to burst your bubble, but that would NOT be a problem. Look at it this way, even in the middle of summer here water cooling dropped my gpu temps from 83C on stock air settings, (73c with 100% fan) to 37C.

Even comparing that to 100% fan with air cooled, that's a drop of 46C! With stock settings that's 56C drop so apply that to 95C and you'd probably get a gpu running high 39-40C.

And you think throttling would be a problem? That's fucked.

It's like the Haswell I have. All the reviews bitched and moaned about how hot it was and stock cooling barely did the job. Guess what? it runs 12C cooler than my old 920 and under full load in summer it gets 48C, 42C while gaming. Yeah, that's hot as fucking hell.

You guys are killing me with bitching and moaning about this nonsense.
 
This quote from hardOCP had me LULZing pretty hardcore:

"As we have noted several times now, the Radeon R9 290X dominated the GTX 780 and GTX TITAN in Ultra HD 4K display gaming. The new GeForce GTX 780 Ti changes this ownage, and gives AMD competition at Ultra HD 4K resolution. The GeForce GTX 780 Ti gives you exactly the same gameplay experience as the Radeon R9 290X at Ultra HD 4K display gaming.

The statement above is very important. Though the AMD Radeon R9 290X now has competition at Ultra HD 4K display gaming, it isn't being "owned" by the GTX 780 Ti. The GTX 780 Ti, at $150 more, only equals the R9 290X. Both video cards are even, or on par with each other at Ultra HD 4K gaming."

HARDOCP - Conclusion - GeForce GTX 780 Ti vs. Radeon R9 290X 4K Gaming

Gotta love hardware reviews that contain commentary about "changes in ownage" in the conclusion, ROFL!
 
sixer9682 said:
You guys are killing me with bitching and moaning about this nonsense.
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Well shows 2 things, my lack of GPU liquid cooling experience and how truly horrible even the best GPU air coolers are. I suppose even with the best designs the limiting factor of all existing designs is your exhausting against the card.

You would never see a CPU take such a huge dive but its also a good 20 to 30 degrees closer to ambient. I mean your looking at what an average of a 10-15C drop on a decent custom setup? The prebuilt crap while providing a much more consistent temperature does shit for overall averages for me.

Jebus if I ever had any money id probably water cool my cards then. I haven't minded my 570 it runs cool and quiet enough to be not worth the expense and risk. But hell at ambient temps I could pull that last 50Mhz to finally call it 1Ghz :p

I always said I was a rambling idiot.
 
I've never understood how it's possible that water coolers are THAT much better, considering the surface area for radiation of the heat doesn't change THAT much... but they are, somehow. Maybe it's got to do with taking away the heat from the source much faster due to circulation of water, idk. Any thermodynamics specialists in here? :-D

Or maybe the radiation area really is much higher... more fins and that shit.

I don't think the drop is always "around 10C." Even with the most amazing air cooler, the higher you go with overclocking, the more dramatic the difference in temperatures is.
 
HeatSurge said:
I've never understood how it's possible that water coolers are THAT much better, considering the surface area for radiation of the heat doesn't change THAT much... but they are, somehow. Maybe it's got to do with taking away the heat from the source much faster due to circulation of water, idk. Any thermodynamics specialists in here? :-D

Or maybe the radiation area really is much higher... more fins and that shit.
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Well thinking about it a cpu cooler is usually clear on both sides. My ideal GPU cooler is one that attempts to vent directly into the case. But even with an open venting gpu cooler the air is going straight to a blocking surface (the card). Apparently its THAT bad. Until this 570 I was always one to modify or change the air cooler. Never had the will or the way to do a custom loop.

My laptop I almost took extreme measures with. What idiot thought cooling the GPU with the hot air from the CPU cooler was a good idea? Other way around please.
 
RainMotorsports said:
Well shows 2 things, my lack of GPU liquid cooling experience and how truly horrible even the best GPU air coolers are. I suppose even with the best designs the limiting factor of all existing designs is your exhausting against the card.

You would never see a CPU take such a huge dive but its also a good 20 to 30 degrees closer to ambient. I mean your looking at what an average of a 10-15C drop on a decent custom setup? The prebuilt crap while providing a much more consistent temperature does shit for overall averages for me.

Jebus if I ever had any money id probably water cool my cards then. I haven't minded my 570 it runs cool and quiet enough to be not worth the expense and risk. But hell at ambient temps I could pull that last 50Mhz to finally call it 1Ghz :p

I always said I was a rambling idiot.
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Well, comparing the watercooling with the 920 to the best air cooler I had, the cpu would get to 78C in this heat on air cooling and 58-60C with water cooling so it's still a good drop on the cpu as well.

If you really want to water cool, check out frozencpu.com for one of the XSPC kits. You can get up and running water cooling your cpu for under $200. If you want to do the gpu, add on about another $110 for the gpu water block.

The bad news is it costs a little to get going with water. The good news is you don't have to change that shit out if you don't want to. Mind you, I changed the gpu water block when I changed video cards, but the rest of the water cooling components are the same so it doesn't hurt as much over time.

XSPC Raystorm 750 EX360 Extreme Universal CPU Water Cooling Kit (New Rev. 4 Pump Included) w/ Free Dead-Water! - FrozenCPU.com

EK Radeon R9-290X VGA Liquid Cooling Block - Acrylic (EK-FC R9-290X) - FrozenCPU.com
 
The only thing that bothers me in that pic is GPU-Z is reading 46C as the VRM temp and then thats also the temp we see in Furmark. Now I am dead certain GPU-Z is just identifying the temp diode wrong but it still leaves that tiny bit of I want more.

I went looking last night because I was interested not only in temps but to see the clocks staying at 1Ghz. The voltage is likely much higher at 1Ghz than say 750-800Mhz. Obviously we see the 1090Mhz in furmark. Id like a graph which GPU-Z would give, Afterburner would be better. However if he is running 46C at 1Ghz then yeah no problems staying there.
 
Same as my GTX 480. Before it went on water, it was running at the usual 95C at stock clocks at shopvac fan mode (in the summer). After water, it went to ~ 60C on furmark overclocked at the max stable I could do which still is 840 on the core at 1.1V (not the most amazing overclocking card, but it has served me quite well). And it's only that "high" at 60 because the CPU is on the same loop at a higher temp, and I have my fans on the radiators at very low (about 1300-1400 rpm scythe gentle typhoons) because I bought water mostly for quietness - and even on "quiet" it's significantly better than air.

I don't think the 290X running at 46 is any surprise really :-D .

Also, what Sixer said. I'm still running my original components, and I don't really expect to replace anything except the pump when/if it fails someday. Still running strong and noiseless after more than 2 years of 24/7 though. Obviously, if you're changing CPU or GPU expect to replace the block if it's a different size, but it's as simple as empty, unclamp, clamp, fill.

Also, my loop mysteriously evaporates water, I have to fill in about 100ml every 3-4 months. I think it's natural evaporation through the tubes, or maybe the pump, since they're not 100% solid even though they might appear to be :-P . Or maybe I have an extremely tiny imperfect clamp somewhere, but the fucks I give about that are pretty low.
 
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