Is your cell phone aprt of your home?

Right well the device getting lost is always an issue for privacy but so is losing your brief case. I expect that when my device doesn't have a sim card in it the documents stored on it are private as long as its on my person. As the article goes into its not about illegal activity, its about privacy. The warrant is there to define what can be searched and seized and has an authority overseeing it. If they find something illegal in search they are going to seize it with or without the warrant (last i checked...).

Your contact list in a search becomes a list of known associates. My contact list is co workers who happen to include drug dealers and to some people that association might be damaging if it got out. Without a warrant that can be collected during any arrest including ones not related to anything that could possibly be on the phone. Your religion, political affiliation, contacts, relations are likely in the open already especially if your famous or serving the public. But anything thats not and information stored on an electronic device on your person is expected to have some value of privacy.

The case obviously stems from a case of illegal activity. But the entire point of the protection in the home is there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. The exceptions were written for various reasons including officer safety. But they are dated and even worse, very hard to define under the ever evolving state of how we store and move our information. A paperless lawyer might never exist but if he did his phone would be part of the equation.

The law is there to protect privacy, not illegal activity. Your legal religious, political and social activities as documented on your electronic device are information potentially private and protected in an unrelated arrest. Or not that's what the court is on about now. That or we can go back to the days where we arrest everyone we think might be a commie. Don't go keeping The Communist Manifesto on your phone when you get caught jay walking! Yeah yeah discrimination != arrest :p
 
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I hear ya. That's why I use this shit as little as possible. Nobody knows what the law is until you're fucked. It's the Wild, Wild West. Even if you aren't getting in trouble, doing anything illegal or what ever. People can steal your ideas, market shit to your kids, and learn about your habits.
Even if your "privacy" gets protected, all this digital shit is turning into one big marketing tool. CNN today......Red Bull helicopter pilot defying physics......the Army, maybe Lex, have been doing this shit in Apaches for years....that's news?.......that's advertising for red bull............there must be 100 Apache vids on You Tube of the same shit.......Silencer licenses back logged at ATF......says "gun sales slowing down", "most people didn't even know they could apply for a silencer license"......this shit isn't news, it's advertising. The internet is worse than cable TV.
Privacy is honestly second on my list below WTF are my kids reading and viewing. I can protect my family's privacy easily, "STAY OFF THE PHONE" (internet, tablet, ipod, text, email) but it is fucking hard to protect what my kids see and hear. Even if I monitor them, I can't monitor what their friends say to them about what they read or see. Some of my children's friends parents are people who I wish would get their privacy violated so they could be locked up. There used to be places besides prison these people would be right now.....before they had kids....and before their kids could infect other kids. They have rights though. I'd get into more if we were talking face to face Rain.
 
I agree Rain, eventually the justice system is going to have to define what is and is not a phone, because at the moment they do not. Unfortunately it probably will not happen until either law enforcement over steps or someone puts up a big enough fight.
 
I would slam my phone on the ground before I let the cops search it. If they had a warrant, it would behouve me to comply. I hate fucking phones, with a passion. But dont get me wrong, they are convinient for emergencies. Patriot Act pretty much negates many of our rights, whos to say there is not already a way to bend that to their will and be allowed to search the Peoples phones with out a warrant?

Mobile phones have made this country disrespectful. And anyone keeping sensitive items (I.e. shit to incriminate you should you be subject to search) on your public/personal mobile phone(s) deserves to get got. It shouldnt be like that, but it is, or very soon will be.

@theBureau : I totally agree about the marketing scheme o things these days.
 
Can your home phone be searched without a warrant? Absolutely not, your electronic communications are protected by your reasonable expectation of privacy be it your emails, your texts or your phone calls. They have zero chance of winning this case. I would add that somebody fucked up big time in this case and should be censured or fired. Why would you put an important case like this at risk rather than Doing what common sense should tell you is the safe bet and apply for a warrant? You don't forfeit your expectation of privacy by not locking your phone either, why should you have to lock property that is in your custody that you do not intend to share? That's like saying it's okay for someone to steal your bicycle because you failed to lock it up. Maybe locking it up is the smart thing to do but that does not mean it's okay for someone else to steal it.
 
Law enforcement doesn't care about "can they do it" mac. The average joe couldn't afford a lawyer if their phone got unlawfully searched. A public defender sits right across the hall from the prosecuting attorney. Guilty until proven innocent. You guys keep stating what is the law. Not what actually happens in real life. Good guys and bad guys break the law every day. Most the bad guys get locked up. Most the good guys get promoted. The article is about real life shit that happens daily. It just happened to make it into the news so maybe something will come of it. For every one wrong that gets righted by making it into the papers there are thousands that don't and people suffer big time. 20 years on death row. Life savings spent to save freedom or a piece of property. Whats joe schmo gonna do when he gets pulled over for texting and driving and gets his phone searched? Pay for some big time lawyer with his Burger King paycheck? LMAO.
 
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying it's wrong. It's the entire reason the Tea Party came into existence, Constitutional conservatism, libertarianism.
 
The texting and driving thing is a pain in the ass in my opinion. They made the law and say "enforce it" but here is the issue. I have seen many people using their phone while driving, but unless i can be 100% sure they were texting and not just searching for a phone number i wont risk pulling them over. And if i do pull them over and cite them it would then be up to me to provide proof in court that they were texting. I do not have the ability to check their phone for the text when i pull them over, which would leave me either having to subpoena the phone records (really for traffic court) or go a my word vs your word, where the text could have been deleted or not even sent. And bureau believe it or not, most law enforcement do care. There are estimated between 700,000 and 800,000 sworn law enforcement nationwide, of those number how often do you hear about on a daily basis doing wrong, not anywhere close to that many. There will be bad apples in every bunch so yes it does happen. Right now searching a cell phone upon arrest is allowed, and it may stay that way as long as law enforcement does not get carried away. Most case laws develop from that, law enforcement will be allowed to conduct certain activities, until one case where they get carried away with it, which i believe will eventually happen. If a cell phone is searched every time an arrest is made it will happen sooner rather than later. However many cases i have found where a phone was searched upon arrest the officers were looking for specific information related to that case.
 
The texting and driving thing is a pain in the ass in my opinion. They made the law and say "enforce it" but here is the issue. I have seen many people using their phone while driving, but unless i can be 100% sure they were texting and not just searching for a phone number i wont risk pulling them over.

See this is the fun one. Ive been wanting to get one of these and spend a few months in traffic court:
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Its not a phone and since its wifi only, voip is a no go as well. It even says Samsung Galaxy S on the back. But its actually a Galaxy Player. So those who would pull someone over for (legally of course) using say GPS on their phone might want to make trouble for me doing whatever on it. Really hand held usage of devices is distracting and we probably need better laws or common sense. I lack the latter.

Yes that makes me a complete asshole to people trying to do their jobs. But I bundle it with harassing the TSA by going through an airport with my laptops drives removed. I came up with that one ever since they told a guy that a Mac Book Air wasn't a real computer because it had no hard drive. I can do one better than an SSD. My laptop has an instant on OS based off a chip on the motherboard the size of sd card. It can boot up and function as good as any chromebook, so why am I being stopped? lol
 
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We also have a distracted driver law which is pretty much the use of any electronic device that causes the driver to be distracted. But it is not used very much due to it being very broad in the and most everything falling under something more specific.
 
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We also have a distracted driver law which is pretty much the use of any electronic device that causes the driver to be distracted. But it is not used very much due to it being very broad in the and most everything falling under something more specific.
How can you fine a distracted driver when companies sell these items KNOWING damn well that they will be used when operating a deadly weapon. You angle a machete at peoples' necks while driving, they will be the safest, most defensive driver out there. Granted , they will never exceed 5mph, but they would be focused on driving.
If nothing bad happened ALL the time, cops wouldnt have jobs..

Oh yea, I cant tell you how many of my local PD squad cars I see with occifers with phones in their hands while driving...so what does that say for my local law enforcement agency?? Do as I say, not as I do..
 
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