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MEAT

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That's a piece of shit you know:)
Have fun man, looks like you will have a good time
 
Looks good !! Why not a alienware ?

HA HAHA HAHAHAHAAHA Because he wanted to actually be able to play games within the laptops spec. M15x R1 R2 and M17x R1 R2 R3 soime of the WORST gaming laptops on the planet and they use the same hardware as everyone else. I dunno how the enw M14 and M18's are doing.

Good choice Meat i just sold Echelon74 on MSI he bought a slightly older model but yours is basically the 17 inch version of the MSI GT683R I was gonna buy if I wasnt building a desktop.

Only thing better on graphics right now is a Sager with Dual 485M's in SLi and its twice the price to start.
 
For that money I would go with the HP "dv7tqe" Yea it only has 8GB memory but it can be upgraded to 16GB down the road if you find that you need more memory. The reason I say take a look at this over the MSI is because with the exception of the memory it meets or exceeds the MSI in every other category not to mention it's $150.00 less and that includes 3- years of in home service as well as accidental damage and theft protection. Look it's you money but take it from a guy who just dropped $2K on a notebook from HP a few months ago. If you going to spend that kind of money you need to make sure you ass is covered. You can always add more memory down the road but all it takes is one accident and you’re out $1649.99

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HP 3-year Care Pack House Call Service with Accidental Damage Protection for Select Pavilion or Envy Laptop
Three years coverage from damage caused by spills, drops, or electrical surges with in-home repair
 
Yea but then he would lose an extreme amount of graphics power shockwave. The only mobile radeon close to the 560M is the 6870.

Also note the HP's lower resolution screen which might not matter to most people but anything over a grand with less than that res is a rip. HP also tends not to offer an upgrade on their current lines.

HP never offers any decent graphics for any amount of money. He wanted a gaming laptop and for the money HP just cant compete. When I bought myne the HDX line offered a 9600 GT or 130M in a 1500 dollar model. I got a 9800M GS in a 900 dollar laptop instead, lost a bit of res for a 600 dollar savings but ASUS did offer a high res screen if u wanted it. 3 years in no regrets, at the time HP had a lot of manufacturing defects and was still recovering from the previous generation nvidia snafu.

Im all for HP, but you dont buy gaming laptops from them, no such thing.
 
i love this MSI so far
 
Yea but then he would lose an extreme amount of graphics power shockwave. The only mobile radeon close to the 560M is the 6870.

Also note the HP's lower resolution screen which might not matter to most people but anything over a grand with less than that res is a rip. HP also tends not to offer an upgrade on their current lines.

HP never offers any decent graphics for any amount of money. He wanted a gaming laptop and for the money HP just cant compete. When I bought myne the HDX line offered a 9600 GT or 130M in a 1500 dollar model. I got a 9800M GS in a 900 dollar laptop instead, lost a bit of res for a 600 dollar savings but ASUS did offer a high res screen if u wanted it. 3 years in no regrets, at the time HP had a lot of manufacturing defects and was still recovering from the previous generation nvidia snafu.

Im all for HP, but you dont buy gaming laptops from them, no such thing.


On paper you make a good argument but I am not going to debate hype. If you are looking for bragging rights then by all means spend as much as you want I am sure the vendors appreciate lining their pockets with your hard earned cash.

I will tell you the same thing that I have told the over 6000 customers I have dealt with since 1998. I will bet you the difference in price between the two models that if I packaged them in identical chassis, removed the bloat ware and any reference as to which machines was which that without any major modifications you would not be able to discern any noticeable difference between them while playing games that are currently on the market as well as any that are currently in production and that includes BF3.

If you want bragging rights then by all means buy the MSI however, if you want a machine that is more than capable of handling any of the current games as well as games that are currently in production on max settings then get the HP. You will be more than happy with its performance, your investment will be completely protected for the next 3 years and you will save about $150.00 which you could put towards a nice SSD for your laptop. Which by the way will give you a much more noticeable performance boost than either the 8GB memory or the graphics card based on published specifications versus actual performance in real world application.

When you get right down to it buy whatever makes you happy but if it were me or if you were a client I would tell you for the minimal performance difference if you’re going to spend that much on a notebook the smart money would be on protecting your investment and not the hype because you’re not really going to notice the performance difference between these two machines anyway unless you put an SSD in one of them.

One final thought and please don't say that this could never happen because your only fooling yourself. Let's say 2 months after you get your new laptop it accidently gets dropped on the floor and let's say you damage the monitor. Will the warranty cover that, well we all know the answer is no, right? Now have you ever priced replacement laptop monitors? If not they can run on average about half the cost of the notebook itself. By all means get whatever makes you happy but before you do if you’re going to spend that much on a notebook look in to getting accidental damage and theft protection coverage from a reputable company trust me if something unfortunate happens you will thank me later.

Calling a laptop a gaming laptop serves no purpose other than to drive up the price 15 to 20% (HYPE)


i love this MSI so far

understandable it’s a damn mice laptop but whatever you decide if you’re going to spend that much make sure you protect your investment!
 
I will tell you the same thing that I have told the over 6000 customers I have dealt with since 1998. I will bet you the difference in price between the two models that if I packaged them in identical chassis, removed the bloat ware and any reference as to which machines was which that without any major modifications you would not be able to discern any noticeable difference between them while playing games that are currently on the market as well as any that are currently in production and that includes BF3.

With the 6870 and 560M clearly in a different class than the 6770 I am not sure how you could get BF3 to run at the settings possible on the better of the two cards on the lower.

I have to bring the 6870 in the mix since we cant compare between ati and nvidia card directly. The 6770 has almost half the shaders. This can be a huge difference in being able to run at the native resolution of the monitor, in playable and unplayable framerates at any given setting. On the nvidia side the 560M benefits from a higher memory bus. Bad Company 2 can saturate any of those cards at 1920x1080 even the HP's 1600x900, I dont think BF3 is going to be any easier on it. Were not talking benchmarks were talking real differences in performance and having to sacrifice resolution, lighting, anti aliasing and even down having playable framerates at all in particular games.

I just cant see any of the desktop users here telling me a card with half the shaders and 3 times the warranty is the choice they would jump for being gamers.

Your paying for the warranty with HP and if they offered the same notebook with their current warranty offerings the overall cost would usually be higher than the MSI. That said MSI offer's similar packages. If they are anything like ASUS ask Dirty Lex they replaced his run of the Mill A series with a G50 gaming laptop when they couldnt fix it, they have good warranty's. Unless HP offers more than one incident per year then that would be a nice advantage.

Calling a laptop a gaming laptop serves no purpose other than to drive up the price 15 to 20% (HYPE)

Hype would be adding flashing lights to exactly the same hardware sticking a League of Gamers sticker on the back and selling it for an inflated price. The MSI is offered with some of its hardware greater than the HP (none of it lower, edit except the bluray oops...) and priced lower than its primary competition dell/alienware. The HP at its given hardware is competitively priced as well.

The HP @ the given build and price is compromising a large amount of graphics performance for a great warranty and a slight price reduction. The HP in question does not have the same hardware and will NOT perform the same in BF3 at given settings. Now this isnt his only machine so we can rule livelihood ruining out of the equation. A non gamer with this much money to spend should buy the HP especially if its their only machine and they depend upon the machine. If he wanted accidental protection it can be had with MSI, though the newegg purchase is different then a reseller purchase.

As I said in my last PM I hope you dont see this as an argument, I feel its a discussion. A discussion with a bunch of long boring details that might look like fighting.

Bottom line from either of us. Protect your investment, it adds to the price of a given product but a slight delay in getting it can be worth prevent a whole lot of heartache.
 
I btw didnt notice your upgrade to bluray. Back before I bought my laptop I woulda traded the graphics card for a bluray drive just because I wasnt a PC gamer LOL.
 
Your eyes and brain will never notice the difference so yes it's all hype. We are not discussing desktop graphic card recommendations so I am not sure how that relevant and you will have to explain? I have a car here I want to sell you it will go the speed of light but you won’t be able to tell and it will still take you just a long to get where you’re going so you want to spend few extra thousand on this model versus the same model without this option for a few thousand less? HYPE!

We could debate this all day and never agree that is until I sat you down in front of both machines in game and asked you to tell me which was which. Bottom line here, there is no point in spending the extra cash on hype unless you over compensating for something else or just want bragging rights during show & tell especially if you’re not even going to notice the difference in performance. Smart money says trade the slight performance difference for the added protection and spend the saving on a nice SSD if you really want a performance increase you will notice and appreciate.

Yea the BluRay is nice but I have never owned or rented anything using the BluRay format, so i could take it or leave it. :)
 
Right I agree with you down to where we arent playing BF 2 anymore. Its not 60 fps versus 120, its 15 versus 30 or cranking down the settings. Both are great laptops and high end gaming aside the Hp will save you some money, and maybe save you even more later. Wanted another laptop, but any of them dont have the GPU performance I can get with a desktop.

MEAT I apologize for derailing the thread as this was the kinda thing that came up recently that we were asked to try and avoid. I am heavily involved in the notebook community so I felt kinda compelled to talk about the whole thing. But its my fault and I should probably have just gone to bed lmao.

Its a bit of candy but I love the feature meat told me about. Not only is the keyboard backlit you can control the lights down to individual area's like highlighting gaming keys etc etc. Not useful for the average person but I would use it for sure.
 
Right I agree with you down to where we arent playing BF 2 anymore. Its not 60 fps versus 120, its 15 versus 30 or cranking down the settings. Both are great laptops and high end gaming aside the Hp will save you some money, and maybe save you even more later. Wanted another laptop, but any of them dont have the GPU performance I can get with a desktop.

MEAT I apologize for derailing the thread as this was the kinda thing that came up recently that we were asked to try and avoid. I am heavily involved in the notebook community so I felt kinda compelled to talk about the whole thing. But its my fault and I should probably have just gone to bed lmao.

Its a bit of candy but I love the feature meat told me about. Not only is the keyboard backlit you can control the lights down to individual area's like highlighting gaming keys etc etc. Not useful for the average person but I would use it for sure.




You’re right, I will totally agree with that if you’re a serious gamer and want maximum bang for the buck a desktop will beat a notebook every time hands down. I still have a killer SLI gaming rig but seldom even turn it on for the most anymore I am always on one of my notebooks but even if I am on the one that has the 17.3" screen I usually hook it up to one of my monitors or TV's if I decide to start gaming. I currently have 3 notebooks and all of them will run BF2 on max settings even the core I5 with a Radeon HD 5650 graphics card can run BF2 on max settings without missing a beat and if that wasn’t enough I have 2- net books as well and while the HP net book won’t run BF2 however the ASUS Eee PC 1015PN-PU17-BK which has a Intel Dual-Core Atom N550 processor and a NVIDIA ION 512MB VRAM graphics card will run BF2 on medium settings. Something to keep in mind when it comes to notebooks versus desktops is what I like to call the 25% factor. When you purchase a notebook you can expect to pay about 25% more than a comparable desktop while getting about 25% less performance.

Don't get me wrong the MSI notebook he is looking at is a damn fine system but if your going to invest almost $1700 dollars in a high end notebook go the extra and make sure you get a good protection plan and warranty with it.
 
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