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A solemn reminder that flying is the most unforgiving business..... RIP.

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They stalled it... looked like it was pitched upwards almost 90 degrees.

I wonder if it was pilot error (that bad? unlikely), or some kind of severe mechanical problems, e.g. with the elevators getting stuck at the "pitch nose up" position.
 
That's awful to watch. That has a pronounced impact on me seeing as I spent my last week hammering missed approach procedures into a green FO of mine. Think I'll be showing him this when we go back on rotation. RIP to those who lost their lives. Sad.
 
Those planes are so large their speed is deceptive, that thing crashing was a perfect example. Looked like it was falling slowly and gently but if you go frame by frame you can see the entire jet collapsed on impact. Really sad, fucking scumbags already claimed responsibility for taking it down. Get out of the cave fuckheads and discover the god damn internet. Unless those savages figured out how to sabotage the avionics of a 747 parked at a major US air base they had nothing to do with this.
 
I had read that there was radio chatter before impact of a malfunction. Malfunction's while performing a military style take off are not good at all. They were taking off in a military style to reduce there exposure to ground fire.
 
Somebody on facebook said the cargo inside shifted backwards, so that threw the nose up way more than they expected... is that BS or is that really the case?

I would think if the cargo started sliding they'd realize and compensate for it soon enough...
 
HeatSurge said:
Somebody on facebook said the cargo inside shifted backwards, so that threw the nose up way more than they expected... is that BS or is that really the case?

I would think if the cargo started sliding they'd realize and compensate for it soon enough...
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I've had cargo in a large plane shift before. Bullshit that it should even happen but load masters are human too. YES you can feel the change in the controls as the center of gravity shifts but to the extent where it causes uncontrollable nose up pitch and running out of control input... ehhh I dunno. I suppose if the payload traveled a great deal aft that could happen but one would assume they aren't flying around half empty. In other words what I'm saying is the distance traveled on most load shifts isn't huge. Mind you the calculations on CG shifting is eye opening. Another point though is if it were a performance takeoff, one which is near the stall speed for a given configuration then a load shift could certainly cause trouble like that. Unfortunately with large aircraft and turbine engines, recovery time in a stall is not instantaneous. In the case of a takeoff like that you already have most of your power applied minus the "holy shit" power which at that altitude won't do much. You need to get airspeed back, and in that attitude the only way you're doing that is lowering the nose. The result will be a loss of altitude as you're airspeed builds prior to recovery. Remember again, this isn't your little trainer aircraft where you can often recover with minimal or no loss to altitude. I'm not going to speculate and further though as to what happened here as I'm in this business myself and I know full well how much can go wrong and how quickly it can when flying. I've known to many people/accidents to get incorrectly labelled. Any number of things could have happened and that will be investigated. At the end of the day though what doesn't change, is a bunch of good folks are pushing daisy's.
 
My guess is either a combination of things (cargo sliding AND the plane being already at the edge of stalling), or/and mechanical problems on top of that... perhaps with very little to no error but like everyone says, at that altitude and situation, there's literally no time to recover whatsoever for a plane of that size.
 
Not sure about the cargo shift either, when we flew out Qatar in '95 they had all of us sitting forward of the wings get up and walk to the back of the plane and stand in the isles for takeoff. They said the plane was heavy with fuel and cargo and they needed to shift weight for takeoff. They used every inch of that runway, was fun at the time but in hindsight that was fucking unforgivable.
 
It was carrying five (5) heavy military vehicles positioned back-to-back. The rear vehicle broke lose in the steep climb and drove the tail downward causing a catastrophic stall. Unrecoverable. Its rumored that the last words to air traffic control was "Cargo shift".
 
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