4K Display Resolution @ 120 Hz

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HeatSurge

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So I got that groupon ad this last week (I do like getting it On in a Group setting), and I decided it's about time I WentPro. After all, I have too much money, my credit limit is too high, and I should be GoingPro at this time. And what better way to do that than to get a new display? I was thinking about just getting a 120Hz, but I mean, that's not GoingPro enough, so I looked at what's out there, and I found out that 4K displays are a thing (tm) (r) (ReallyPro). And there's a relatively cheap one like this one: Amazon.com: Seiki Digital SE50UY04 50-Inch 4K UHD 120Hz LED HDTV: Electronics

I read about it a bit more, and it turned out that a single 780 can just about handle 4K with relatively older games even alone.

To my ubersurprise though, it turns out that 4K tech is in somewhat of a l?wlz right now. L?wlz which is ridiculous to the point of seriously WTF.

So, it turns out that while apparently there's a display which can handle 4K at 120Hz and there's a card that can theoretically render it... there's no (single?) cable that can deliver 4K resolution at 120Hz - and only DisplayPort 1.2 can deliver even 60Hz.

So, the 4K display and the 4K-capable video card are effectively being "held back" as a technology by a... cable standard? And this display, even though it can handle 120Hz is limited to 30Hz (yes 30, lail) at 4K because they didn't even put a DisplayPort Port (Portception?) on it? What the actually absolutely hypothetical fuck??? Seiki? More like Faileiki.

This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've witnessed in the last ~20 years of fiddling with computers and almost BeingPro but not quite.

So, I guess I'll wait for a year or two before I can upgrade to 4K until cable technology catches up with semiconductors, LUAL? Or I mean someone will come up with a hack controller by emulating 4 displays and doing some retarded shit like running 4 cables from a single video card... BECAUSE THE CABLE IS NOT FAST ENOUGH!

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It boggles my mind that apparently neither video cards nor display manufacturers are interested in getting my money sooner. I wish I worked at a display manufacturer right now. I'd jump on this like Soulzz jumps a dick on a Friday night.
 
I wonder what the hold up is. Have you looked at the Asian sites, since I believe 4k was out there first (Japan).
 
I don't know, but the word that describes releasing a 4K display capable of 120Hz, without the CABLE/controller/port capability to run it at more than 30Hz, eludes me right now.

As far as I know (I was reading a HardOCP thread), even though it's theoretically possible to put a controller together that tricks the card that it's really 4 displays, and then running 4 cables to the monitor and setting up something like eyefinity/nVidia alternative (does it exist for that config, 4 monitors in a square???) is possible, no such controller exists on the market... yet.

The best "proper" solution is DisplayPort 1.2, but that only does 4K at 60Hz... which might be OK for now, but it's amazing to me that nobody has brought a product (controller/cable standard) to market which solves this "problem" lol...

They were talking about a kickstarter for a 4K 120Hz controller on HardOCP if I remember correctly. The whole thing seems absolutely ridiculous to me.
 
There really isn't shit available on the media side. Broadcasts won't be going 4k any time soon. It took satellite TV almost a decade to figure out how to squeeze 1080i into their bandwidth, it will probably taken twice as long to figure out how to squeeze four times the data. Either that or they will drop a couple hundred of their several hundred too many channels. Can't wait for 4k to hit stateside though, then we can see the next generation of jumbo TV's. A 120 inch LED wall mount would be bad ass.
 
Yeah, I know. That's the sad part - PCs are pretty much ready to do it, but it'll take a LONG time to really get going because of fucking TV, and bluray...

They need a new film media format for 4K lol... or lower bitrate per resolution which will mean shit quality on bluray.
 
HDMI 2.0 will support it at 60hz but considering I hadn't even seen the new spec not sure how common it is even at that. I seriously doubt anyone in the TV industry gave more than a passing glance at uses for gaming. Video card manufacturers can't do anything about it for you. They are limited to the available standards or creating a new one that no display is going to have. I have never looked but I assume AMD and Nvidia or one of their partners has a chair with one or more of the standardizing bodies and gives their input as much as they can.

The TV can't possibly support 120hz since it doesn't have a controller capable and that makes it yet another 120hz marketing ploy. Might have frame resampling but thats about it. As with everything its all about the marketing. You can sell shit to alot of people.
 
It's just ridiculous to me that it's marketed as a 120Hz TV, when in reality it can't run more than 30Hz at 4K with the ports that it has...

But yeah, the whole situation is quite sad. I guess we shall wait for displayport 1.3? lol...
 
Well I was thinking. Talking about the 4 monitor split solution. If the display manufacturers played ball I have a different idea.

Since your only looking to do low end gaming and non gaming applications from a single card. Why not have the display support 2 in puts simultaneously and then tell the video card its two vertical displays. Left and right no seam. It would be nvidia single card doable and probably easier to support with older games. Now if your doing high end gaming one port per card and still same deal.

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Two vertical might work, however that would mean each one runs at a resolution of 1920x2160. It's a weird one, and I'm not sure if you can do 120Hz with a DisplayPort 1.2 cable.

Interesting idea though, and I'm sure it will be solved eventually by a new cable/port standard version or some controller hack... but it's ridiculous the displays are already out for production and on the market, and it's still not happened yet and not even plans have been made...
 
60hz is okay, but I would've liked it to be 120 really. The displays are already available, are we supposed to wait for HDMI 2.1 or 2.5?

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HeatSurge said:
The displays are already available, are we supposed to wait for HDMI 2.1 or 2.5?
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Don't forget you still need to watch out for HDMI 2.0 compatible displays just to take advantage of 2.0. Sony's 25,000 dollar XBR-84X900 for example is HDMI 1.4a while their XBR-65X900A and XBR-55X900A models are 2.0. Some manufacturers might have models that were waiting to declare they were 2.0 compatible or waiting to release variants with the 2.0 compatible controller so they are already hitting out the door.

There is talk that 120hz 4K is technically possible over 2.0 if standard controllers allow for certain specifics (like color sampling) to be lower than standard.
 
Nevermind that the video card has to support it as well, I'm guessing? Or is it hackable with the current HDMI implementations? It would be kind of LULZ if the Titan didn't support this... then again, new GPUs are coming out Q1 2014 :-/ ...
 
HeatSurge said:
Nevermind that the video card has to support it as well, I'm guessing? Or is it hackable with the current HDMI implementations? It would be kind of LULZ if the Titan didn't support this... then again, new GPUs are coming out Q1 2014 :-/ ...
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I have to speculate of course. Based on the fact that Sony has camera's that will actually be getting 2.0 support via a firmware update it might be possible for a graphics card to support this via a bios and driver update... but I wouldn't count on it. Really depends on what makes 2.0 tick, the hardware capabilities of the GPU's HDMI controller and how much of its functionality is soft coded into the bios and therefor modifiable.
 
ErikStenger said:
I posted it on FB 22 hours ago.
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Irrelevant. You ran into a discussion and posted news that was literally just posted and discussed. We are already talking about HDMI 2.0 as it was officially announced. This discussion isn't on facebook. Yes some of us saw the news yesterday and personally i was too lazy to link something you were going to see anyways. Avery however was kind enough to rekindle discussion.

Oh and don't think I didn't see the engadget link you posted and removed :p Exact same link Avery posted.
 
this 4k stuff needs 3 years to go mainstream. Till then I'm staying the fuck out. Early adopters always get burned with BS products that cost a fortune.
 
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